Human Conditioning: How Parenting, Friends and Media Shape Who We Are

What has more of an influence on someone, their environment or their own beliefs? There always seems to be a debate over which one has more of an influence, and how. In this episode of The Motivational Intelligence Podcast, John Casey and Sean Johnson discuss human conditioning and how many different factors shape who we are, such as how we’re raised, who we spend the most time with and social media. There are several things that influence us on a daily basis and we may not even be aware of all of them. While there are many positive things about this, there are also some negative factors as well, such as surrounding ourselves with unmotivated, negative- thinking people. Doing so can negatively influence how we condition ourselves and what we believe. John and Sean dive deep into why our conditioning truly comes from ourselves, and how important the way we talk to ourselves is. Interested in learning more? Check out our newest episode of The Motivational Intelligence Podcast, “Human Conditioning: How Parenting, Friends and Media Shape Who We Are”, and as always, check us out on social media and let us know what you think!

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Human Conditioning: How Parenting, Friends and Media Shape Who We Are

Sean Johnson: I’m good. You good?

John Casey: Yup. Okay, cool.

Sean Johnson: Okay. Alright. We’re back with John Casey, John, what’s going on?

John Casey: Ah, everything and nothing

Sean Johnson: all at the same time, huh? you had mentioned something last time we had talked that I wanted to kind of focus our conversation on today.

When we had the discussion about innovation, you had mentioned, and we talked a little bit about what is the difference between human nature and human conditioning? So, I thought that’d be a good spot for us today.

John Casey: Yeah. That’s such an important concept. And frankly, Shawn, most people have it backwards. They’ve got actually the concepts, or the definitions reversed.

Sean Johnson: Okay. Alright. Well that’s a good place. I like the little cliffhanger there too…

How do they have it? What is the difference? And maybe that’s the way to start, how do people think about it and how should they be thinking about it?

John Casey: Well, I think we’ve all heard people say, “well, that’s just human nature.”

And usually when they say it, it’s not a compliment, somebody’s been let down, that’s what human conditioning is. It’s aiming for and accepting lower levels. Human nature is essentially the pure human spirit. And it’s quite simple, it’s how we’re born and frankly, it is ideal. The human nature that we’re born with, and we’ll get into that a little bit deeper I’m sure, is all we need to build the life of our dreams. But then, as we get to some formative stages in our lives, we start to embrace lower level thinking.

And instead of aiming high, we start aiming lower or accepting mediocrity or giving up quicker. And that’s essentially what human conditioning is. Being more like the masses then the outliers or the ones that hold themselves to higher standards. So, human nature is “that baby” that believes in themselves and will never give up and human conditioning is, “well, they tried it once and it didn’t work, or that’s not my style, or I’m just a blank, or I can only do blank.” That’s the conditioning that kind of takes over and lowers the bar.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. So, maybe let’s, kind of separate those right now and dive a little bit deeper.

So, you’ve mentioned “the baby”, can you kind of paint a picture for us a little bit more? What really is human nature, when we’re talking about human nature? How are people born?

John Casey: Right. Well, well, first of all, we are all born the same way.

Slimy, helpless, looking like an alien. Well, at least my kids…And we are completely helpless. We have no skills. All we have is the most powerful supercomputer we’ll ever use, which is the human mind. Completely blank slate, which makes it fair. Everybody kind of starts out at the same spot.

We have unlimited potential. We can chart our lives in any direction we choose. And, those are the three gifts we get at birth, and we all start out at the same spot. So it is quite fair.

But this human nature, if you think about a baby and obviously another thing we’re born with, part of human nature, is collaboration and caring and giving a selflessness….because otherwise, babies would be left and they wouldn’t be cared for. We came together in communities and selflessness, and then that’s part of human nature as well.

But when you think about a baby, you could describe them in the same way we described motivational intelligence. They are accountable, highly adaptable, incredibly resilient. They are not afraid to take initiative and heck, all they do is exhibit courage all day long, as they try to make it through their day.

It’s all fueled by curiosity and collaboration, working with a family or the adults that are raising them and going with the flow.

If you look at a one year old, crawling around and obviously the world is very new to them and they bump into anything that they’ve never seen before, and they just stop. And they, they look at it, carefully from multiple sides. They touch it, they feel it, they’re smoothing or feeling the surface. They put it near their face, so that they could maybe smell it and then of course, it’s going to go in the mouth.

And it’s not that they want to eat it, they just want to understand it, that they want to get all their senses involved in that. Yeah, they’re just eminently, curious, about their world. And they strive to know more about it. And of course, the nine, 10 month old realizes that they’re the only ones crawling. And it takes them five minutes to crawl into the kitchen where the food is. So they quickly get it in their mind, that they need to get up on the two sticks like everybody else, and they want to walk. However, we’re not genetically programmed to walk. As a matter of fact, well, genetically speaking, no skill is passed on through our genes.

85% of our genes go to the makeup of our central nervous system in our brain, and 15% of our genes go to our physical characteristics. So, skill isn’t carried through genes. It’s got to be figured out and it’s amazing those qualities that we’re born with human nature.

Accountability, adaptability, resilience, initiative, courage, curiosity, collaboration. Those are the fuel that allows us to learn how to walk. Because by the way, it takes, I don’t know, 14 to 20 months to master walking. And luckily, we do it when we’re very young and we don’t know that we can’t.

On the journey for a baby learning how to walk, they’re going to fall down 240 to 280 times. And never once will they judge themselves. Never once will they beat themselves up. Never once will they think they can’t do it. They just continue until it’s mastered. And then they don’t have to think about it the rest of their lives.

Unless they have a brain injury or a brain disease, they’ve got it mastered, by one and a half or two or two and a half, and then it’s in their kit for the rest of their journey.

And, after that comes communication, they have to make thousands of mistakes to learn how to speak and heck, a two or three year old can learn two or three or four languages at the same time.

And they don’t think they can’t, and there are no barriers. There are no limits. We talk to a lot of adults in corporations around the world, and they ask, “we need our sales people trained.” They don’t realize that we come pre-trained as humans on how to sell.

Because if you’ve ever met a two year old that wants an additional cookie, they’re the best salesperson on the planet because they’re always closing. They’re always asking, they ignore the knows that the parents are giving them. And then it’s funny, when one of the parents shuts them down and says, “Hey, stop asking me. I’ve said no five times and I’m going to put you at a time out if you ask again.”

They just changed decision makers and go find another adult and start asking that, “I’ll go find mom.” That’s a best practice of sales, it’s finding another decision maker. And so they don’t need training, because we’re born with this wonderful concept called “human nature.”

The fuel that allows us to really chart our life any direction we choose, and of course, we’ll get to that maybe with the next question. But, something happens at a very powerful, formative stage of life where that human nature gets to be diluted and it’s conditioned, if you will. That’s when that pure human spirit, that we’re often born with, gets some boundaries and limits placed upon it.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. Well, it strikes me, thinking about a baby. There’s kind of two things that strike me, one is it seems that we’re born happy, you don’t really see any babies that are super depressed or anxious or stressed out. And the second is, we’re kind of born “prebuilt for achievement” and those kinds of characteristics seem to be where everybody starts. They’re curious. They’re in the moment. They’re present there. They’re looking at their surroundings and there’s no limits on their mind.

John Casey: And if you think about it, if anybody should have stress on this planet, it should be a baby because heck, they can’t clean themselves. They can’t feed themselves and they can’t move themselves around, so they got nothing.

Sean Johnson: Yeah.

John Casey: That should be freaking them out. But they don’t seem to be freaked out at all. They seem to be mostly content and curious and happy, and not afraid to make eye contact with anyone. And that’s hacked by the time they get to two and three, they tell the truth. They have to be taught to lie. I mean, it’s amazing. All these wonderful, qualities we have, that almost, unconsciously get conditioned out.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. So, alright. So we’re, everybody comes into this world are all slimy and looking at like, like an alien, born happy, built for achievement and then something happens. What happens?

John Casey: Well, cause we’re not all like that now, we’d be out of business, right? There’s a very formative stage of life that we go through. And on average it’s, three or four, to six or seven and arguably the most important thing we figure out as individuals really get set in stone, and it’s when we develop our self image, who we think we are, what we think we’re capable of what is our actual potential? And at the age of three or four, what a child is actually trying to figure out is how to interpret the world they live in, how to interpret the feedback that they are receiving. And mostly what all that is being used for is how will they communicate with themselves, what will they say to themselves, throughout their journey. And a lot of this inner voice or self-talk is, developed about 70, 80% of it between the ages of three and six or seven. And human nature would never, it doesn’t come with limits, it’s boundaryless. When a seven or eight year old, or 10 year old or 20 year old, for that matter that says, “I’m just a blank, I can only do blank. I’m good at that, but I’m not good at this,” that’s human conditioning. That his limits, that his boundaries and that is factually wrong. It is not how we are built born it’s how we get conditioned.

Sean Johnson: So if they’re at that stage, they start to figure out, “how am I going to talk to myself?” That self talk, that inner voice. Why is that important?

John Casey: Because that’s the driver that rolls up the white flag, or it encourages continuation. It gives an out or it keeps us in our lane, it gives us the green light or the red light. It really does, and whatever we say to ourselves over and over again, becomes kind of like our operating system. And, by the time we become adults, most people don’t even hear are the voice anymore. They just follow it, it’s programmed.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. Don’t even realize it’s there.

John Casey: And you know, the best throughout all of human history, I’ve always been the creator of that voice, and they know what to say to themselves in the moment, in the heat of battle. When it gets tough, they know how to encourage themselves. They know what to do to keep them on course, just like the baby, learn how to walk. We don’t have a baby talk translator, so we don’t know what the heck’s going on in their head when they fall down learning how to walk, but then they get right up again and try it again.

And the untrained…. I had a parent, this is the slight adjustment that they make each time they fall down. And sadly, that’s one of the things that babies are better at. They don’t see falling down when they’re learning how to walk. It’s negative feedback. They just look at it as, wow, I won’t do that again.

Sean Johnson: Yep. It didn’t work.

John Casey: And, “I’ll just make an adjustment and move forward instead of just, rolling up the white flag.” So, most adults, they had a barrier as well, “I’m just not good at math, or, no, I can’t do that, or I can’t sell” or whatever it is. They tell themselves that and then they give themselves an out and they give up.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. So, that kind of self talk is a lot of times conditioned into them.

John Casey: Yeah. And there’s a lot of things now that condition kids, as we grow, certainly more now than decades in the past….where we live, we need a license to catch a fish, but, but not to have a kid. And I know most parents are woefully unprepared to be a great parent. They don’t realize when they might be passing on some flawed or limited beliefs, that actually confined, or limit potential and begin to take a child away from human nature and towards human conditioning.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. So, as we get conditioned over time and this conditioning is what’s “programming”, that inner voice in our head and programming our operating system where eventually we’re just kind of running on autopilot with a lot of this. If this programming is happening, and we’re being conditioned this way, what are the things that are doing it? What are the major forces that are conditioning and programming our minds?

John Casey: Right, right. Well, obviously at the formative stage of our life when we’re children, it is the adults, that are raising us. And it’s not just the parents, it’s the older siblings. The grandparents. It’s the early teachers, daycare providers, babysitters, they all have an influence, as do Dora and Barney, and SpongeBob. The TV is often used as a babysitter and not necessarily screened. There’s a lot of things that are influencing the child’s development and how they see themselves in their world. But in the end, it’s mostly ourselves, that carry forward the good or the bad conditioning that happens to us.

And at some point, clearly by the time we’re 18 or 22, we have to accept responsibility. If our thought process isn’t optimal, we must hold ourselves accountable to fixing that and adjusting that.

How we think about ourselves is not set in stone and returning back to that pure state of “ I don’t know anything about anything, but I do know that I’ll never give up. I’ll never make excuses and point fingers. I believe in myself that I can change. I can set goals. I can be good at anything I choose to be good at. And I have the courage, to accept not only negative feedback, but make mistakes, and put myself in situations that make me feel uncomfortable, but they’re going to grow me to continually be curious about the world we live in and how to make it better and how to serve others and continue to hold ourselves to the highest standards.”

In the end, our example is probably the best way to teach others, those that we work with, those that we live with. Our own example.. In the end, there are many forces that can condition us and lower the bar and move us away from pure human nature. However, we’re all responsible for fixing and adjusting that and being aware that it’s happening.

Sean Johnson: And so you mentioned a few of those things there, one being our parents to being just other people we interact with in general, whether it’s the babysitter or our friends or anybody else who may eventually colleagues and things like that. You’ve mentioneds media, the TV shows we watched, the podcast we listened to, the music that we listened to…. I think it might be helpful to kind of break those down. I’m sure there’s probably a lot of parents listening to this. With a little bit of a siren going off saying, “Oh, I wasn’t really aware of all this stuff.”

And maybe a little bit nervous about how they’re “programming or conditioning their kids.” So, for those people, how should we be thinking about parenting?

John Casey: Well, first of all, understanding that the responsibility we have to not only study but reflect on our own upbringing and making decisions on. What legacies to pass on and which not to pass on. I caught myself once saying something that my father said to me that I didn’t appreciate, and I checked myself right then and there and I really sat down and when the kids were asleep that night, really thought about really what did I want to reinforce.

And it was very easy to me to fall back into a pattern that had been reinforced with me frequently. I think what we should think about parenting is less than even most do. If we can remind ourselves that this newborn, is just pure human spirit and just a bundle of energy and light that has no really fears, it might be fear of being hungry. I think we’re only born with that one fear, the fear of being hungry. Other than that, I mean the baby’s fearless. We, see it, they’re risk takers. All those wonderful qualities. They’re curious. They’re not afraid to ask. Maybe do less as a parent, have some boundaries of course. Don’t tell them what they can or can’t be, don’t tell them who they are or who they can ever be. And, there’s limits that we put, especially when we get frustrated as parents.

I’ve met a lot of people that grew up on a working family farm and they often had a whole bunch of siblings, but I’ve never met somebody that grew up on a working family farm that wasn’t a great employee, that wasn’t a great team member. And it’s almost like, because a farming family, they don’t have a lot of time to do the parenting stuff, they quickly start using that “human nature” to get the kids to work the farm. And, by the time they’re 10, they’re driving a tractor and they’re fixing it when it breaks down and they learn how to do things, they’re okay with getting up early and doing chores before school. And then they do chores after school.

They’re often a good athlete on a sports team. They’re often in Scouts or a member of their church group and a class president, and they don’t even realize how special they are juggling all these different balls and doing in the same 24 hours that every other teenager gets and it’s almost a pretty good model.

Give responsibility to your kids sooner about their chores and about cleaning up their room and about helping out in the kitchen. All those things are great ways. I think back in the 80s, about coddling and doing everything for your kids and giving them a trophy when they come in last place, that’s not reality. That doesn’t teach anything but the opposite of cause and effect. And always continuing to tie their shoes and cut up their food.

There’s helicopter parents, there’s snow plow parents, there’s parents that are now going into job interviews with their kids. There’s parents that are calling into their kid’s workplaces to talk to HR and it’s almost like it’s a comedy sketch or something. None of that will ever work and less is a  whole lot better. Stay out of the way. They’ve got that pure human spirit that fuel of human nature. Let them run with it. Just keep some boundaries and maybe a helmet every now and then.

But, it’s how should we think about parenting. We should think about it, but think about how little we can do and how much we can allow them to explore and do and learn and experience and really leverage those wonderful gifts of human nature that they were born with.

Sean Johnson: I think that’s so true. The people who grew up working on a family farm, and it strikes me that probably a lot of those people just, it was less what their parents said and more what their parents did.  They were probably too busy working the farm and stuff, but that was just an example.

John Casey: I would think for them to look at it and aspire to well, “Hey, a junior, go out and plow the back 40”,  and that’s a dad talking to his 12 year old son or daughter for that matter. And then he walks away, he has to go do something else… what is the kid picking up? Wow, “dad believes I can do it, I better do it.” That’s a great tip for any bosses out there too, let them do it. Stay out of their way and then you have a conversation afterwards about how it went and what did you learn and then you can talk about best practices and other things, but it is a whole lot less than what people are doing out there.

Sean Johnson: It reminds me of a, there’s a famous venture capitalist, Chris Sacca. He ran, lowercase capital, which turned out to be one of the, I think it was the most successful venture fund of all time. And he invested in Twitter and Uber and Facebook and a bunch of those. Did pretty well. You can live on that… and I remember there was this one interview I listened to of him where he talked about who the founders are that he invested in, and one was “a sense of inevitability in the way that they talked about it”, which I thought was really interesting. and the other was how he didn’t really trust people that had never had a crappy job, and if they had worked a crappy job, then they got to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty. If they had never had a crappy job, he was always very skeptical of that. That seemed like a pretty good lens to look at things.

John Casey: Well, yeah. Heck, when we were kids, we loved the crappy jobs, the ones that got our hands dirty. So, maybe that’s a little part of human nature too. Whether it’s building things or creating something, you have to get your hands dirty. That’s not a bad thing.

Sean Johnson: So that’s, that’s parenting. The other kind of thing that we talked about in terms of what’s what shapes the way that, we’re conditioned and it kind of, our operating system, if you will, is who we surround ourselves with. Who are friends, who are our colleagues, who are the people that we spend the time with? So how should we be thinking about that.

John Casey: Yeah, that’s a great question. We can’t pick our family, but we can pick our friends and whether it’s conscious or not, we are drawn to people a lot like ourselves.

There is something in psychology called “the chameleon complex,” which means we move, speak, and act like the people we spend a lot of time with. As a matter of fact, I was given a really nice poem and the author is unknown, about friends, and it really does a great job of explaining who and why we should pick, the friends, the right friends.

John Casey: So I’ll just real quick read, it’s shorter poem,  “tell me who your best friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are. If you run with wolves, you’ll learn how to run. But if you associate with Eagles, you will learn how to soar to great Heights. You cannot pick your family, but you can pick your friends.

A mirror reflects a person’s face, but what they are really like as shown by the kinds of friends they choose, the simple but true fact of life is that you become a lot like those with whom you closely associate from the good and the bad. The less you associate with some people, the more your life will improve.

Anytime you tolerate mediocrity and others, it increases your mediocrity. An important attribute in successful people is their impatience with negative thinking and negative acting people. As you grow, your acquaintances will change. Some of your friends will not want you to go on. They will want you to stay where they are.

Friends that don’t help you climb will want you to crawl. Your friends will stretch your vision or choke your dream. Those who don’t increase you will eventually decrease. You consider this, never received counsel from unproductive people. Never discuss your problems with someone in capable of contributing to the solution because those who never succeed themselves are usually the first to tell you how.

Not everyone has a right to speak into your life. You are certain to get the worst of the bargain. When you exchange ideas with the wrong person, don’t follow anyone who’s not going anywhere with some people you spend a day and are exhausted and down with others. You invest a day and are excited and hopeful.

Be careful where you stop to inquire for directions along the road of life wise is the person. Who fortifies their life with the right friendships.”

Sean Johnson: I love that, that’s a good one.

John Casey: And I read that frequently and I love sharing that with folks. So, here’s some guidelines for the friends I have chosen, and will continue to choose moving forward.

And we’ll let some relationships, kind of wind down, if they are not like this. And first and foremost is “positive”. Yeah, frankly it is easy to be more negative than positive. As we say, staying above the line, requires a lot more energy and effort and conscious awareness, rather than living below the line.

We know that being positive, as a matter of fact, I have right here an article called five scientific studies that prove the power of positive thinking. It goes in depth, there’s hundreds and hundreds of studies that have confirmed, how better it is to live a positive life.

And that may be another topic we dive into, being positive, supportive, encouraging. But one of the most important things, that I think we should look for in our friends is that they’re goal directed. That they actually looking forward to the future and building the life they want to live. They want to go somewhere. And, we talk about the power of motivational intelligence, which is of course, accountability, adaptability, resiliency and initiative and courage. And, those are great qualities to look for in the friends you choose.

And, one of the concepts that we talk about a lot is staying above the line and living above the line. And what that means, of course, is exhibiting the higher levels of human emotion. the higher levels like positivity, like persistence, genuineness, selflessness, open-mindedness, forgiveness, confidence, responsibility, trust.

The integrity, passion, patients, faith, sincerity, focus, curiosity, honesty, humility, hopefulness. These are the higher levels of human emotion. And boy, those go a long way to describe, a one year old or a two year old.

Those are the qualities that take effort. We’re kind of born that way, but we get conditioned to below the line. which frankly is easier. Mentally. It takes less mental effort to have insecurity or fear, or hate or doubt, or resignation or greed, revenge, laziness, negativity, selfishness, anger, frustration, jealousy, envy, apathy, blame, spitefulness these are, these are lower-level human emotions.

They’re negative human emotions. And frankly, there’s a lot more people living below the line than above the line. And the answer is to why is because it’s easier.

Sean Johnson: Yeah. It’s everywhere. I mean, I would think a big part of why it’s easier to live below the line versus above the line is all the stuff that you see out there, all the conversations you have or the stuff you read or the stuff you watch, most of it could be described below the line. It’s the stuff you’re getting hit with all day.

John Casey: And  a lot of people that haven’t necessarily studied the media know that a long time ago, there was a saying about the media, that was coined and the motto of the media is, “if it bleeds, it leads.” There’s not a lot o, selling of newspapers with good news and bad news. bad news gets the headlines. And that’s what’s often led with. And when you’re overwhelmed with that negative, approach to the news, it is overwhelming.

It mentally fatigues us, and it kind of teaches us the behavior that’s lower level, that’s more conditioned to look negative first to put down first. And, yeah. So they haven’t helped.

Sean Johnson: Yeah, I mean that’s actually a good segue into how should we be thinking about that? The things that we consume, we have screens and headphones and it’s everywhere we look. There’s something to read or something to watch or something to listen to and we do it a lot of times without really thinking about it. How should we be thinking about that? Should we think about that?

John Casey: We should consider our news sources very carefully and know what their agenda is. Obviously, we are a naturally drawn to media or stories that support what we believe. So that just confirms a lot of our existing set stuff. But understanding those outlets, what their objectives are, what their real agenda is, is really important. And trusting that it’s objective, is it peer reviewed, does it hold itself to reporting standards for truth and verifying sources and all that other stuff?  So, consider your news sources very carefully. And I think, as I do, I, I look for sources also that disagree with my beliefs, intentionally.

I want to know what the other side is saying. Yeah. I want to know. They’re just a smart over there or just as educated over there. They’ve got to have reasons for why they believe what they believe. I’m curious. I want to know what they are.

Sean Johnson: Yeah.

John Casey: They’re mostly with my friends and my family, I will readily be a contrarian as well. For somebody’s that a right winger, “Hey, I can give you a left wing argument too. And it’s cogent and it’s got facts and it’s got stuff. And by the way, if you’re left wing here, I’m going to give you a right wing argument cause I got the stuff over there too.”

And there was something that I took in college, to get out, I’ve taken some math classes. Debate was actually on the analytical thought department where I went to university and instead of taking calculus I took that. And little did I know how impactful it would have been, that it was in my, my, my life.

Cause I thought, well, I’m an athlete and we’re going to have a competition and I want to win a debate. And yeah, I can yell and I can be loud. So I thought it’d be good for the debate team. But what I really learned is that, when you go into a debate, you don’t get to pick what you support or defend.

And, it may not even be your angle that you want to go at the topic.. So as you lead up to a debate, you and your team have to prepare two arguments, one for and one against. Hm. And you find out that day it like 30 minutes before…

Sean Johnson: Okay, so you’re on this side or you’re on that side. Wow. So get your stuff ready,  you’ve got to prepare both sides, right?

John Casey: And then you’ve got to go, and it really gave me a whole lot of empathy and understanding that there is just as a cogent and organized argument on the other side, and you must respect that. You must know it and respect it, and it’s okay to agree, or to disagree. And, there’s an old saying, and I think it’s actually a native American proverb and I’ll probably butcher it a little bit, but “walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before you criticize them.”

Yeah, put yourself in their shoes and try to understand their position before you attack. So I think that’s really good advice because then, after you’ve heard and understood their position, you can’t criticize them because you’re a mile away and you have their shoes where you go.

Sean Johnson: That’s a perfect strategy.

John Casey: Actually, there’s some seriousness at the beginning of was stretching for a joke at the end, the sources where you consume your news from are really important and it’s got to be accurate. It’s got to be the whole spectrum, not just the narrow focus of what you believe in.

Sean Johnson: I think that’s probably more important now than maybe ever. Um. Alright. So, that kind of covers the topic. Is there any kind of closing thoughts or anything like that that you want to leave people with?

John Casey: Yeah. Thanks. So human nature, it’s that pure human spirit we’re born with. And since we’re adults or we’re mostly adults now, it’s not easy. It’s not easy. It was easier when we didn’t know any different, and we thought that’s all there was. It’s not easy, but it’s worth it. And we were born with it, so it’s not necessarily foreign to us and we should continue to strive to maximize it and hold ourselves accountable to it.

And of course, human conditioning is just lowering the bar on all that good stuff, and it’s an easier path to take. But in the end, it’ll probably leave us with regrets and a lot of questions towards the end of the journey, “could have, would have, should have,” and that’s not how we come into the world, and that’s not how we should leave.

So, keep in mind, the mindset of a one year old or a two year old that wants something. And that’ll maybe spark a little bit, human nature is the good stuff.

and it’s what we should remind ourselves and strive for and human conditioning is, is the bad stuff. It’s the lower level stuff and it’s what we should try to avoid. Yeah.

Sean Johnson: Alright. Well, John, thanks for taking the time. For everybody listening, we’re going to toss all that in the show notes for people. So if you’re listening and want any of that stuff, we’ll have that. Therefore, you go to, to logical.com/podcast and it’ll be right there for you!

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Shownotes: Human Conditioning: How Parenting, Friends and Media Shape Who We Are

0:50- Intro

2:45- What is a human conditioning?

8:54- What we’re born with

14:00- Parenting

18:46- The many forces that condition us

20:07: How to understand /use the influence we have on our kids

27:30: Who we surround ourselves with

30:05: Know who you’re exchanging ideas with…

37:00: Keeping an open mind

40:23: Closing thoughts

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